The LGD Puppy Journal - #1 (2024)

Over the course of the next several years, I intend to post regular blogentries about the development and management of a new livestock guardian dog puppy. This is my introductory post.

On Monday, we acquired Elko, a Pyrenees x Akbashpup, from Fred Groverman in Petaluma. With livestock guardian dogs, I'm less concerned with a specific breed (or combination of breeds) than I am with a pup's genetic and environmental background. I want a pup that comes from working parents, and I want a pup that was whelped and raised in close proximity to livestock. Elkomeets both criteria.

There are two (at least) schools of thought about purchasing LGDs. Some producers (me included) prefer to purchase a pup at 8-12 weeks of age. In my experience, the period from 8-20 weeks of age is critical for forming social bonds between the dog and the livestock he/she will spend his/her life protecting. I think this phase is also critical for exposing the pup to our management system. Our dogs need to learn about electric fence. They need to learn that we move sheep (and dogs) frequently. They need to be comfortable with (but not bonded to) people. I'm still learning how to train these dogs; we've found that 30-40 percent of the puppies we start will work in our system. That said, I'm convinced that a dog works better when it's reared in the environment in which it will work. Other producers prefer to purchase older dogs that are ready to go to work - and there are dog breeders in the West that accommodate this demand. These older dogs are typically much more expensive - and usually guaranteed to work. Part of the cost of these older dogs, I think, is that the breeder assumes the risk that a particular dog won't work.

LGDsare capital expenses for a sheep or goat operation. In comparing the two systems I've outlined above, I think it makes sense to divide these costs into three categories: acquisition, development, and management. Acquisition costs include the cost of the pup and the expense involved in taking possession (mileage, usually). The development costs include veterinary and feed costs incurred up to the point where the shepherd decides the dog will fit the management system. Management costs are incurred from that point forward. I think these categories are useful for a couple of reasons. The actual cost of a working LGDshould include both the acquisitioncosts and the development costs - and these are "stranded" costs when a dog doesn't work out. These are also the costs that are reflected in price of older dogs that are ready to go to work.

Our management costs are $500-600 per year per dog - this includes (primarily) feed and vet expenses. While Fred Grovermangraciously gave Elkoto us, I'm going to value our new pup as if we'd purchased him. Here are our acquisition and development costs to date:

Acquisition Costs

Purchase Price

$400.00

Mileage (230 miles RT @ $0.545/mile)

$125.35

Total

$525.35

Development Costs

Dog Food

$46.85

10-way Vaccine

$13.99

Total (as of 9/24/17)

$60.84

When I brought Elkohome, we built a creep feeder for him (basically a pen in which he could eat without the sheep trying to steal his food). We exposed him to the electro-net we use to fence our sheep immediately - and he learned to avoid it immediately. We put him in a paddock with several ewe lambs and an older ewe to doesn't take any guff from any dog.

I've found that the sheep take some time to evaluate a new dog. For the first several days, the sheep avoided Elko. As of this morning (day 6), the sheep all seem to accept him. When I fed the sheep this morning, I observed the ewes following Elkoto the fence. Later, I watched Elkolicking the face of one of the ewe lambs - a sign of submission on Elko's part (and a sign of acceptance on the ewe lamb's part).

Over the next weeks, we'll keep an eye out for play behavior. As a pup becomes more comfortable with the sheep, we've seen some dogs begin to play roughly with the sheep. We discourage this behavior - most by "growling" (using a hard voice) with the pup. At this stage, this is really the only correction we'll make. We never correct a LGDpup for barking. And here's a humorous on barking - yesterday, Elkobarked at me when I got home. Like a pre-teen boy, his voice hasn't changed! His bark is high-pitched, like a much smaller dog. I tried not to laugh where he could see me.

I'm hoping readers will ask questions and respond with their own observations of LGDdevelopment and behavior! This is the first of many posts, I'm sure!

The LGD Puppy Journal - #1 (2024)

FAQs

What not to do with LGD? ›

Working LGDs live and work outside 24/7 and should not be brought inside your home except as a last resort. This is because if they are inside with you and your family they will bond with you and your family instead of your livestock.

Can LGD puppies have toys? ›

I highly recommend interactive and puzzle toys for livestock guardian dog breeds! This is because these dogs are SMART! They were bred to have a job to do, to work independently, and to solve problems (for more on why this is important, see my LGDs as Pets article).

Can you have one livestock guardian dog? ›

3) Many predators work in packs or are too large and tenacious for one dog to handle alone. Some people mistakenly think if the have a small farm or only a few animals to be guarded they don't need more than one LGD. This is not true. It's predator load that matters, not property size or herd size.

How many LGD do I need? ›

It's recommended that even small operations (<100 ewes or does) have two LGDs to ensure that the flock or herd is protected if one of the LGDs is removed from the job (due to injury, death, female in heat or with puppies or other). Larger operations may also be able to exceed this stock per dog rate to reduce costs.

How much to feed a LGD puppy? ›

The average LGD typically needs 6 cups or more of food a day, depending on body size, average weather conditions and activity level. The average weight of 5 cups of kibble is typically around 1 ½ pounds.

How long does it take for LGD to work? ›

In a phase 1 clinical trial in 76 healthy young men, 1 mg/day LGD-4033 increased lean body mass by 1.2 kg after 3 weeks of treatment. For comparison, enobosarm, another SARM, increased lean body mass by 1.3 kg at a dose of 3 mg/day after 12 weeks in healthy elderly men and postmenopausal women.

Should you socialize a LGD? ›

Proper human socialization of a LGD puppy is vital during the bonding process, and it becomes increasingly important as a rancher's dog matures. Spending 5 minutes, 2 to 3 times a week directly socializing with a new LGD puppy should be sufficient to properly socialize it to humans.

Can you write off livestock guardian dogs? ›

Farm Dogs Are Deductible as a Business Expense

A farmer or shepherd who uses a dog to herd or guard cattle, sheep, pigs, or other farm animals can deduct the cost of keeping the dog as a business expense. The cost of the dog itself must be depreciated over seven years or deducted in one year using IRS Code Section 179.

How much does a LGD dog cost? ›

We want to find each puppy the right match for the right job, farm, and family. The cost is $600 per puppy.

Is it better to have a male or female livestock guardian dog? ›

Male or Female? LGD research has shown that both sexes guard equally well, especially if they are spayed/neutered.

Are male or female dogs better for herding? ›

As steady, controlled movements of the sheep are considered indicators of a good herding dog[14], it can be inferred that male dogs, in general, are better at this particular aspect of sheepdog trials.

What is the most aggressive livestock guardian dog? ›

Developed in China, the Tibetan mastiff can grow to be upwards of 150 pounds. They're also considered the most ferocious livestock dogs since they aren't afraid to fight predators like bears and coyotes. They're extremely loyal dogs and they are especially protective at night when they also tend to become more vocal.

How to take LGD-4033 safely? ›

LGD-4033 dosage should also take into account the timing of administration. Many users find it beneficial to take their daily dose in the morning. This helps maintain stable blood levels of the compound throughout the day, promoting consistent muscle growth and strength gains.

What affects LGD? ›

Loss given default is facility-specific because such losses are generally understood to be influenced by key transaction characteristics such as the presence of collateral and the degree of subordination.

Does LGD suppress testosterone? ›

LGD-4033 administration was associated with dose-dependent suppression of total testosterone, sex hormone–binding globulin, high density lipoprotein cholesterol, and triglyceride levels.

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