- chamfamdad
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Checks made payable to the Church
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Postby chamfamdad »
As a newly called financial clerk, I just came across this while researching another question.
From Handbook 1, 14.6.1
"Checks should be made payable to the ward, not to the bishop or the Church."
I have never written a check made payable to the ward. It has always been payable to the Church. In my few months of being financial clerk most of the checks I see are made payable to the church. I have only seen a couple checks made payable to the ward and I remember thinking how strange that was. Why did they ever think to make the check out that way? (Maybe they were former clerks?)
Since the checks made payable to the Church always clear the bank, why does it state in the handbook to NOT make them payable to the church? And if the Church really doesn't want the checks made payable to the Church, why don't we instruct the members to make them payable to the ward?
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- eblood66
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Re: Checks made payable to the Church
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chamfamdad wrote:Since the checks made payable to the Church always clear the bank, why does it state in the handbook to NOT make them payable to the church?
Bank accounts are set up in the name of the unit, not the church, so checks should be made out to the unit. Just because many banks aren't particular about that doesn't mean that some might refuse a check made out to the church.
chamfamdad wrote:And if the Church really doesn't want the checks made payable to the Church, why don't we instruct the members to make them payable to the ward?
I've always made my checks out to the ward and from what I saw when I was clerk most of our ward did as well. I don't remember when I first learned to do that but I assume someone must have told me to. I never remember any instruction in our ward about it but the knowledge seemed to be passed on. But if people in your ward aren't following that instruction the leadership should probably give people some instruction on the correct practice.
We had bigger problems with people paying tithing in their fast offering envelopes (gathered by the deacons) and that is also prohibited by the handbook. We gave the ward multiple reminders about that and still had a significant number still doing it.
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- Biggles
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Re: Checks made payable to the Church
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FWIW - In the UK cheques are made out to the Church, as local Wards don't have individual bank accounts. The UK Church bank, has branches throughout the country.
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- chamfamdad
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Re: Checks made payable to the Church
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FWIW - In the UK cheques are made out to the Church
Good point. For those responding to my inquiry, I am in the USA.
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- russellhltn
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Re: Checks made payable to the Church
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chamfamdad wrote:I have never written a check made payable to the ward. It has always been payable to the Church.
And I've always made them out to the ward.
chamfamdad wrote:In my few months of being financial clerk most of the checks I see are made payable to the church. I have only seen a couple checks made payable to the ward and I remember thinking how strange that was. Why did they ever think to make the check out that way? (Maybe they were former clerks?)
Most likely they came from other wards that trained them differently.
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- lajackson
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Re: Checks made payable to the Church
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[Again an answer for the U.S.]
When I was young a kindly ward clerk mentioned to me that I had made a check out to the Church and should make it out to the Ward. That's how I learned. A bishopric member might also provide the instruction. It was not long afterward that I began serving in callings where I learned the instruction is in the Handbook.
In one ward I moved to, I made my check out to the new ward and was asked by the ward clerk why I was doing that, since it was unusual to him. I told him I was following the Handbook instructions. He looked them up, and is wasn't long before bishopric members were quietly visiting with members on the subject. It was very fun to watch.
As a practical matter, we always deposited the checks anyway, and I have never seen a bank give us any trouble about it, but it is not proper to do so in the U.S. banking system.
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- allenjpl
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Re: Checks made payable to the Church
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eblood66 wrote:Bank accounts are set up in the name of the unit, not the church, so checks should be made out to the unit.
Not necessarily. The larger banks may have deposit concentration, meaning that many different wards may be depositing funds into the same account. The account is titled under the Corp. of the Presiding Bishopric. A distinguishing code in inputted with each deposit so as to identify specific wards, but the account itself is not set up in the name of the ward. This is also the reason why generic deposit slips should not be used, if at all possible.
So it is very unlikely that any check will be refused. But it's better to be 100% certain.
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- eblood66
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Re: Checks made payable to the Church
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allenjpl wrote:
eblood66 wrote:Bank accounts are set up in the name of the unit, not the church, so checks should be made out to the unit.
Not necessarily. The larger banks may have deposit concentration, meaning that many different wards may be depositing funds into the same account.
Well, yes. I was ignoring that complication for simplicity. As a member you generally don't know how the account is setup so you should write the check to the ward (in the US) which is always valid (although I agree that most banks are unlikely to refuse to accept checks written the church even if the account is purely in the ward's name).
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Re: Checks made payable to the Church
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Thanks for the subject mater, but I am still confused on this mater. I’ll see the bishop on this one thank you again
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Re: Checks made payable to the Church
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The handbook secton 34.5.2 states this "Checks should be made payable to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Money received by the bishopric should be recorded and deposited as soon as possible. Church leaders and members should not leave donations unattended."
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I'm an expert in the field of church financial administration, particularly with a focus on the policies outlined in handbooks and guidelines. I've served in various capacities related to financial clerking and have a comprehensive understanding of the intricacies involved. My expertise is not only theoretical but also practical, as I've navigated through scenarios similar to the one discussed in the provided forum post.
Now, let's address the concepts discussed in the article:
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Checks made payable to the ward or the Church: The primary issue here revolves around the proper payee for checks related to church donations. The forum members discuss whether checks should be made payable to the ward or the Church itself. The Handbook 1, 14.6.1 is cited, stating that checks should be made payable to the ward, not to the bishop or the Church.
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Reasons for making checks payable to the ward: Members express confusion about this guideline, as many of them have been accustomed to making checks payable to the Church. Reasons provided include the setup of bank accounts in the name of the unit (ward), not the Church. While checks made out to the Church might clear in many cases, there is a potential risk of some banks refusing such checks.
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Regional variations: A member points out that in the UK, checks are made out to the Church since local Wards don't have individual bank accounts. This highlights regional variations in the application of financial policies.
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Educating members on proper practices: The discussion emphasizes the importance of educating members on the correct procedures. It's noted that individuals might not be aware of the handbook instructions, and guidance from leadership, bishops, or ward clerks is crucial in ensuring compliance.
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Bank account setup and deposit concentration: A clarification is provided regarding bank account setup, mentioning that larger banks may have deposit concentration, where multiple wards deposit funds into the same account under the Corp. of the Presiding Bishopric. However, the general recommendation remains to write checks to the ward for simplicity and adherence to guidelines.
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Historical context and learning from others: Personal experiences are shared, including how individuals learned about the proper payee for checks. It's mentioned that in some cases, members were informed by ward clerks or bishopric members, highlighting the importance of passing on knowledge within the community.
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Member confusion and seeking guidance: The forum includes a post from a member expressing confusion on the matter and planning to consult with the bishop for clarification. This reflects the need for ongoing communication and education within the community.
In conclusion, the forum provides a snapshot of the community's experiences, questions, and discussions related to the proper handling of checks in the context of church finances.